The Economist interviews Joko Widodo

Ahead of the meeting of G20 leaders on the Indonesian island of Bali on November 15th and 16th, The Economist’s editor-in-chief, Zanny Minton Beddoes, sat down with the host of the summit, Indonesia’s president Joko Widodo. They discussed the Ukraine war and Western sanctions, the threat of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan, and doing business with Elon Musk.